Christian and atheist dialogue on homosexual marriage
The following dialogue represents how a lot of people think, or should I say don't think, about the homosexual marriage issue. Too often, for them it is an issue of simply being able to marry the person you love whether it is male or female. It sounds fair; but just because it sounds fair, doesn't mean it is right.
Matt Slick: Atheist, do you think that I as a Christian should have special privileges because of my Christianity?
Atheist: Matt . . . Is it special right to marry the consenting adult you love?
Matt Slick: If that person you love is married to someone else, then, no, you don't have that right. Do you think that I as a Christian should have special privileges because of my Christianity?
Atheist: No . . . you should have the same rights as everyone else . . . but homosexuals have fewer rights.
Matt Slick: ah . . . So it's okay for them to have special rights but not me as a Christian . . . I seeeeee We call that a double standard.
Atheist: Homosexuals don't have special rights . . . they have fewer rights. They aren't allowed to marry.
Matt Slick: They have the same rights as everybody else. They can marry people of the opposite sex the same as everybody else.
Atheist: Matt . . . So homosexuals can marry the person they love? Yes or No?
Matt Slick: Love is not what makes a marriage right.
Atheist: Matt . . . Are you married?
Matt Slick: Yes
Atheist: I've been married for 18 years . . . and I love my wife.
Atheist: But if you don't believe that love has anything to do with marriage . . . It shows me a lot about Christian attitudes.
Matt Slick: Love is not what makes marriage meaningful. Love is not a requirement for marriage. And, I didn't say love has nothing to do with marriage. Atheist, again you're not thinking clearly. You are not reading what I'm saying.
Atheist: Matt . . . thank you for proving my point.
Matt Slick: You want special privileges given to the homosexual because of whom he or she wants to have sex with. That is all it comes down to. You want them to have special privileges. The law is for everyone and says that it is for a man and a woman
Atheist: Matt . . . You have made your position clear. "love is not what makes marriage meaningful. "
Matt Slick: What makes a marriage of meaningful is commitment and truth and faithfulness and promise.
Atheist: I say that love is the core element of marriage.
Matt Slick: Love often leaves marriages. You should know this. There are many cultures where marriages are very seriously taken--where the marriages are arranged. Love is not what constitutes a marriage
Atheist: Matt . . . then you would enjoy living in India. So we should go back to arranged marriages?
Matt Slick: Atheist, think about it. What you want is for the homosexuals to have special privileges--separate from everybody else in society because of how they want to have sex.
Atheist: Matt . . . you didn't answer my question.
Matt Slick: Yet, because of how I want to worship my God, you don't want me to have special privileges. You have a double standard, and you are inconsistent. But this is what is necessary coming from your atheistic perspective.
Atheist: Matt . . . You support arranged marriages?
Matt Slick: Whether or not I do or do not is not the topic. I'm simply telling you that your presuppositions about what is required for marriage is not valid.
Atheist: You ask many questions . . . but you answer none. Thank you for proving my point.
Matt Slick: But you continue to miss the point. I have responded numerous times your questions. It is just that your questions are misrepresentations and distractions away from the real issue. I'm trying to get you to think clearly and to focus on the real issue.
Matt Slick: When I tell you that they are not relevant, you say I'm not answering you.
Atheist: Matt . . . You change the subject very quickly . . .
Matt Slick: The problem is not with me. The problem is with you and your inability to focus on what the real issue is. I was talking about how the laws are equally applied to everyone. The laws are equally applied, but the homosexuals want special privileges and exemption from the laws because of their sexual preference. This is what you're advocating.
Matt Slick: If it is okay for people to have special privileges and exemption from laws because of their sexual preferences, then why is it not okay for Christians to have special privileges and exemption from laws because of their religious preferences?
Atheist: It's not special privileges . . . I personally believe that the government should get out of the business of what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults.
Matt Slick: A special privilege is when you have an exemption from the law. Please tell me how the homosexuals' desire to be exempt from the law that requires marriage to be between members of the opposite sex is not a special privilege?
Atheist: Matt . . . You keep presenting a straw man . . . same-sex marriage isn't a "special right" . . . it's simply the same right that is denied to someone based on their sexual orientation.
Matt Slick: Atheist, yes, it is a special right. The existing laws are for everybody equally.
Atheist: I can't answer a mischaracterization.
Matt Slick: Homosexuals want an exemption from that law that requires marriage between a man and a woman. That is a special privilege.
Atheist: Matt . . . wrong. If you can't marry the consenting adult you love . . . then it's not the same rights.
Matt Slick: Again, it isn't an issue of love. Marriage does not require that love be in it in order for it to be a valid marriage..
Atheist: If you want to continue mischaracterizing the debate . . . go ahead. But I can't answer someone who can't see through their own bigotry
Matt Slick: Hold on a second. I have been trying to be logical with you, and now you call me a bigot. If you are not able to rationally discuss the issue without calling me names, perhaps you might want to take a back seat to the discussion.
Matt Slick: Atheist, if it is okay for homosexuals to have special privileges and exemption from laws because of their sexual preferences, then is it okay for pedophiles to also have exemption from the law based upon their sexual preferences?
Matt Slick: from dictionary.com. bigot: "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."
Matt Slick: Atheist, would you say that you were utterly intolerant of my opinion that is different from yours?
Atheist: Matt . . . no. People should be allowed to think however they want . . . as long as it doesn't take away someone else's rights.
Matt Slick: Atheist, I'm not taking the rights away of homosexuals. They have the right, the same as I, to marry someone of the opposite sex.
Matt Slick: The Constitution doesn't say we have freedom of homosexuality.
Atheist: Why is it not fair? If the law is the same for everyone . . . it's fair. You can choose any religion you want, except Christianity. Just like homosexuals can marry . . . just as long as they marry someone of the opposite sex.
Matt Slick: Fairness deals with morality. As an atheist, your morality is, at best, relative; and because it is relative, you have no right to impose your moral judgments upon any of us.
Matt Slick: Atheist, if it is okay for homosexuals to have special privileges and exemption from laws because of their sexual preferences, then is it okay for those who practice bestiality to also have exemption from the law based upon their sexual preferences?
Atheist: Bestiality is a poor analogy. No way to confirm consent.
Matt Slick: Oh, yes there is . . . A male animal and a human female can obviously demonstrate consent of both parties.
At this point, he stopped responding.
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