R.D. Clarke's emails where he states he is not Cheryl.

by Matt Slick

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I traced the IP address from R.D. Clarke's emails (using readnotify.com) and found out it was the exact same one used by Cheryl on the CARM discussion boards. In order to make sure that this was not a common hub IP address used by many people, but was instead actually a single computer sharing the same IP address, Diane S. e-mailed shawcable.net, the Internet provider used by Cheryl and R.D. Clarke. We found out they are the same IP address individually. In other words, according to shawcable.net both Cheryl and R.D. Clarke used the same computer. If you want to see the e-mail exchange from shawcable.net (the internet provider in Canada that Cheryl and R.D. Clarke both used) that verify they are the same computer, please go to R.D. Clarke and Cheryl Schatz use the same IP address. When I asked R.D. Clarke if he was Cheryl Schatz he said, "I already told you I didn't know her. It's up to you. Contact her and ask her if she knows me. The name is Randy Clarke."

This is important for two reasons:

  1. It shows how abusive Cheryl really is when she can hide behind another name and that her front where she tries to be nice, is a facade.
  2. It shows that she's caught in a lie since R.D. Clark claims not to know Cheryl.

With these two points I must be very careful. I do not want to falsely accuse Cheryl of being abusive and lying about emailing me as R.D. Clarke. It is possible that the evidence I received from shawcable.net is mistaken and if it is, if Cheryl can demonstrate it to the contrary with documentation, then I will remove this article. But, I will not just take her word for it. She must produce evidence -- just as I have.

Let me review.

  1. R. D. Clark and Cheryl Schatz used the same IP address through shawcable.net.
  2. shawcable.net says that the IP address is specific to an individual and is not a common hub.
  3. R.D. Clarke says he does not know Cheryl Schatz
  4. It seems that R.D. Clarke must be lying since they use the same computer.
  5. Either R.D. Clarke is Cheryl Schatz or two different people are using the same computer.

Again, after this is released, if Cheryl can produce documentation that demonstrates she and R.D. Clarke are not the same person, then I will retract this article.


Following are some of the emails from R.D. Clark. That demonstrate the abuse and name-calling.

The emails in this article are listed from oldest on top, to newest on the bottom. I have added my comments in green to the text which is black. I have further highlighted in bold brown comments from Clarke's emails showing the abuse.


NOTE: To go to the place below in the emails where Clarke says he does not know Cheryl, click here.



----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:14:46 PM
Subject: RE: Asking once more. #4

At this moment I am very sad for you. Sad because you refuse to be held accountable and you refuse to confess when you have blown it. Did you not even consider that it would be easy to find out the deception when you insist that you only have an office number at your home and you do not have a personal home phone in the house?

Matthew J Slick

R.D. Clarke researched my home address and included it here. I have removed it since I am trying to protect my family. Why this research? I consider this a threat because it means he knows where I live.

phone number unavailable

Household: Annick

The telephone phone company records are quite easy to find. You have three phone listings as I am sure you already know.Your office number is listed. Your unlisted home phone number also listed to Annick's use is clearly in your home in Nampa. It is a shame when a man lies over something so trivial. It would have been an honorable thing to admit that you did not tell the truth. You, sir, did not do the honorable thing and this speaks volumes to me about your character.

It appears that you really do not want the truth. I am very disappointed. I was very much looking forward to talking with both you and your wife. I was also looking forward to having you admit that you have been wrong once again with all of your accusations. This would have come from proof that even you would accept. What a shame that you are so stubborn and thick headed.

By lying in the little things that can be verified, you make yourself untrustworthy in the things that are not so easy to verify.

In my mentoring sessions with men, I stress integrity and accountability. This is why I always involve their wives. Men who are on a path of self destruction almost 100% will keep their wives in the dark. They do what they want to do without accountability. Once the wife is brought into the equation, the lies start to unravel. It may be painful but it is necessary for full healing. Those who resist the most to having their wives involved are usually the ones who have a very low success rate in combatting their sin.

I was interested in your comment that Ms. Schatz also wanted to communicate with your wife. I do not know what her motive is for this but I am curious to find out.

It is time to move on. You had your chance to be honest with me and you proved to me that you do not value honesty as a key component in your life. I cannot in all good conscience encourage my men to come back to CARM. The integrity is missing from your ministry that I worked so hard to instill in these men.

My next step is to google Ms. Schatz and get her story. I have kept my focus by allowing you opportunity to speak for yourself without any input from her. I suspect that her integrity will shine where yours has faltered. I am not an egalitarian but I do value dignity and respect for the body of Christ. From what I have seen from your own discussion board Ms. Schatz holds to the same values as I do. You do not.

Please consider this an ending to our conversation. I do not wish to hear back from you again. You had your chance and any further communication from you will be considered harassment. Your accusations and your demeanor are most unfortunate and your refusal to take me up on my offer was an indication that you want to be in the dark so you can speculate and accuse. I will not have my character assassinated as it appears you have assassinated Ms. Schatz's character.

If you choose to answer this email, please be assured that I will not read what you have to say. I do not value or respect those who are proven liars.

Randy Clarke

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:46:42 -0700
From: carmstuff@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Asking once more. #4
To: rdclarke@live.com

now you're calling me a liar? Be careful. wow... you're getting bolder. you're seeking my wife isn't going to help. I mean, think about it... some strange guy who insults me wants to talk to my wife? yeah, right. What is it with you and my wife? You and cheryl both want my wife... and there is no stinking way that is going to happen. I think you're looking for an excuse to bail...you and she both. Call me and face me... come on. You got the stuff? I sure hope cheryl doesn't bail on me. Why don't you show up, too? I'd like that. matt

----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:13:04 PM
Subject: RE: Asking once more. #3

You are the one with the game. You lied to me. You have three phone numbers with two of them unlisted at your home address. Just because you don't want to talk to me or allow your wife to talk to me, is no reason to lie. Now slap yourself.

I am going to give you one more chance. Use it wisely.

Here's the deal. It will work especially well if you know where Ms. Schatz lives. Do you? If so tell me.

I call your home phone number and talk discreetly with your wife. Nothing big, just a hello and a few well placed questions and some chit chat. Then I talk to you and we chit chat for a bit until you are comfortable that I am not a woman. This should not take you more than a half a second. Then I give you my land line and you call me back. You will be able to verify from my area code that I do not live anywhere near where Ms. Schatz lives so I couldn't possibly work at her place of employment. Sound reasonable? It is a home run to me. About the friend thing, I already told you I didn't know her. It's up to you. Contact her and ask her if she knows me. The name is Randy Clarke. Got it? Do it soon, though, because I will be contacting her sooner than later. Your lie just did me in.

A. You verify for me where she lives so the data comes from you before it is revealed where I live
B. You contact her to find out if she knows me
C. You give me your home phone number
D. I get to talk to your wife
E. You and I do the verification of my manly voice
F. You get to foot the phone bill so you can verify where I live
G. I hold you accountable for your lies

Now give me your home phone number. No more lies. I do not believe you that your wife doesn't want to talk to me. I am a really nice guy. Charming guy as a matter of fact. She will enjoy talking to me. Really.


Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:05:24 -0700
From: carmstuff@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Asking once more. #3
To: rdclarke@live.com

ooooh, a little touchie? Yeah, I sit in front to the computer and wait for emails....right. So, you going to answer the questions or keep dodging? are you are aren't you Cheryl Schatz? come on now, i'm not going to play your game. fess up.
----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:25:46 PM
Subject: RE: Asking once more.

Some people have to work. Not everyone can sit in front of their home computer waiting for emails. Apparently you can.


Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:23:15 -0700
From: carmstuff@yahoo.com
Subject: Asking once more.
To: rdclarke@live.com

well? are you are aren't you Cheryl Schatz?

Why won't you answer? Matt

----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:04:15 AM
Subject: RE: question again

Just to clarify. We can get this all cleared up for you with one phone call. I want your home phone number only. Not a cell number, not your office number. I would like to talk with your wife first and then I will talk with you. This has been my method with each biblical confrontation I do. If you want I can give your home phone number to the large group of real men who made the decision to pull their support.

Dr. R. D. Clarke

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:49:17 -0700
From: carmstuff@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: question again
To: rdclarke@live.com

So, are you denying that you are really cheryl schatz? btw, you don't "give me the weekend off". Please save your condescension for someone else. so, let's have your pastor's #. Afraid? matt
Thank you for writing to the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (www.carm.org)

----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:49:10 PM
Subject: RE: question again

I am very concerned about you. You sent me two emails within a minute asking the same question and implying that I am not going to answer you. Matt I am deeply concerned. I have taken you on because of your attack against an evangelical Christian. It appears that it may be far worse than this. Are you dealing with mental illness?

Dr. R. D. Clarke

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:22:47 -0700
From: carmstuff@yahoo.com
Subject: question again
To: rdclarke@live.com

you going to answer me? are you cheryl schatz? matt
----- Original Message ----
From: RD Clarke
To: "carm.org (carmstuff@yahoo.com)"
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:56:53 PM
Subject: RE: Correction

My questions deserve to be answered. Are you afraid to answer?

You will get the name and phone number for my pastor when you have provided a legitimate reason for needing this information. Are you afraid to provide me with your scriptural reasons for wanting to contact him? You are an apologist aren't you? Do apologists answer questions or do they only seek to win the argument by evasion, fast foot work and smoke screens?

Your evasion is most interesting. It shows me that you are living in fear not sure what to answer and what not to answer. If you have nothing to be afraid of why the evasive tactics? I have already told you that I will not be contacting Ms. Schatz until I have finished with you. You are the one under the microscope right now.

Notice how this person is accusatory, not to mention completely misreading me. R.D. says that he will not be contacting Cheryl Schatz until he's finished with me. The implication is that this person is not Cheryl Schatz. But, we have documentation to the contrary. She lied.

1, Has my challenge to you been the cause of the reported more gentle attitude on your radio show? Yes or no?

Apparently, R.D., like Cheryl, listen to my radio show all the time. However, I'm no different now than I have been in the past on the radio.

2. What is your expected outcome of Schatz's Matthew 18 meeting with you? Will you be agreeing to her demands to publicly apologize? Yes or no? If yes, then good for you. If no, then provide the scriptural reason why you alone are exempt from following scripture.

Notice how the only viable option presented by this person is that I am wrong.

3. Will you allow God to discipline you for your bad behavior? Yes or no? If the answer is no, then keep bragging about your life of sin on the radio but leave off the details about God "spanking" you. It isn't helpful to know about someone who has been spanked and then goes right back to the same sin.

I do not brag about my sin on the radio. I do occasionally mention that I am indeed a sinner, and I am saved by the grace of God

4. What is it going to take for you to pay attention to God's discipline?

When you don't answer the questions, you are only extending the period of pain. Are you going to be a man? Real men don't evade questions nor do they evade discipline. David accepted discipline and repented. He was a real man after God's own heart. What kind of a man will you be? Think about this and don't answer back so fast. Take the weekend off.

Dr. R. D. Clarke




About The Author

Matt Slick is the President and Founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry.